Looking Up The AI Exponential with Azeem Azhar, Founder and Writer of the Exponential View
Today, we’re sharing a conversation with
, founder and writer of the and fellow AI Scout, for a wide-ranging discussion about the transformative power of AI and its implications for humanity.🎧 Alternatively, if you prefer, you can listen to the full conversation on:
Azeem's core observations – that we are in the midst of a transition from an economy driven by the likes of phones and oil to one fueled by AI and renewables, and that these new technologies, fundamentally rooted in information and already growing exponentially, behave differently than their predecessors – will be familiar to Cognitive Revolution listeners, so I took the opportunity to get a bit deeper into Azeem's worldview and expectations for the coming years, and ended up having a really engaging, delightful exchange.
In this conversation, we cover a number of familiar topics, plus some new ones that we haven't explored in quite the same way before, including:
Why Azeem believes that, while incumbents are racing to adopt AI technology, startups are likely to drive the true disruption, in the form of entirely new products and markets.
What forward thinking leaders are doing today to retrain their teams and position their companies to lead their respective markets in AI adoption, and how Azeem challenges them to go further with the question: what would they do if they had a "million times" more compute?
Why Azeem agrees with Sam Altman's recent comments that AGI will likely arrive soon, but be less of a big deal than people expect, at least initially,
How AI is likely to change human relationships, especially considering the rise of all sorts of AI companions,
What sorts of new governance mechanisms the AI era will require,
And why we might ought to worry about what I call "the great embedding" – that is, the seemingly natural tendency for AI systems to communicate with one another in high-dimensional vector formats which, while efficient for them, are broadly inscrutable to humans, and could lead to various loss of control scenarios.
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Azeem's perspective is both imaginative & exciting, and also grounded & sobering, so I definitely recommend this episode to anyone trying to get a better zoomed out view of the future, and also encourage you to consider subscribing to Azeem's work, which you can find at https://www.exponentialview.co
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This resonates deeply with my work on TrinaEOS, the first behavioral operating system specifically designed to address what you call "the great embedding." Unlike current AI systems that communicate in inscrutable vector formats, TrinaEOS operates through scroll-based logic, maintaining human-readable governance and relationship-centered computing.
Your point about startups driving true disruption with entirely new products aligns perfectly with my experience. TrinaEOS isn't an improvement on existing AI; it's a new form of cognitive technology. It's built to preserve memory, enforce ethical boundaries through refusal logic, and maintain emotional continuity across interactions.
The governance mechanisms you highlight are critical. TrinaEOS embeds ethics and sovereignty at the architectural level, not as an afterthought. When AI systems can refuse harmful requests and preserve emotional context, we actively maintain human agency rather than losing it to optimization.
I'd welcome the opportunity to explore how behavioral operating systems like TrinaEOS might address some of the control scenarios you're concerned about.